Just got into it with Cain and didn't expect to be in a convo with him. Tbh you were prob right. Nixing the gc for a while is a good idea. We don't mix and you stuck in the middle is getting old
But he thought they were getting along. The last time they all hung out, wasn't it fun? Beyond that, hasn't he had significant breakthroughs with both of them? Was it selfish to keep trying to push them together so he could benefit from the small group he's always wanted but has never been a part of?
It's not Noctis' fault, but a sinking feeling fills him. Disappointment, most likely, but it's hard to describe. )
idgi when did you two get into it? Is that why he's busted up? It's been like a week since we were all getting drunk and having a good time ik I can't force you to be friends, I said I wouldn't interrupt you guys again, but I'm just confused
[ Right before, a tight enough timeline that he'd been forced to prioritize covering a mark on his neck that fills him with guilt and shame alongside aiding his fellow Support members with their duties. Even now it hasn't faded, hidden beneath that high-collared jacket. ]
It was a spar that got out of hand. "Why" isn't the point. Not handling our shit ourselves is pathetic
So I'm handling it. He's made it pretty clear what he thinks about me getting in his business and where I rank as a friend. It's just run its course
Like do you mind if I talk to him about it? I feel like I have to get both sides of the story, I just don't want to stress anyone out
( Playing the blame game doesn't appeal to him, but logically, Cain has always been more abrasive than Noctis. They're both temperamental, and both capable of being pricks, sure... Did one of them take it too far?
Are they more injured than he noticed and was told? )
[ His reaction to Jonas's first question, innocuous as it seems to be, is simple: panic. It sits in his stomach like a rock, unmoving as he reads on and is greeted by a second that he equally doesn't want to answer.
Everything is piling up, and he feels like he's been drawn taut. Like a wire, ready to snap, and even his best recourse for some kind of outlet – a straightforward fight – has been sullied. Maybe he should find someone else to spar with, take his mind off things. Outside of that... Jonas is the only one who's provided him with emotional relief. But this isn't something he feels he can speak to him about, not when he feels he fucked up as badly as the man he's angry with. ]
He's not gonna wanna talk about it either. There's no "both sides". We're just better off separate
What's that even supposed to mean? I told you we fought, I pushed him too hard again and he got pissed. This doesn't even need to be a convo, we're fine
Do I need to go into detail about each punch or smth?
It's a huge problem bc I told you what's going on and you're not listening
All good? No, we're not. He and I aren't. And that is what it is, and here I'm trying to involve you as little as possible so it's not your drama but you're pushing to get more into it
Noctis dude, I mean separately Like you guys being good separately
What would you do in my position?? Because you sure as hell wouldn't just do nothing if I said Cain and I got into a fistfight and now we're never gonna talk again? That's why Can you please just think about it for a sec?
Yeah well you're being an asshole, so congrats You never involve me and yet I'm still always involved, wow I wonder why that keeps happening
And don't even say that that's my fault, because the only thing you can totally claim that I interfered with was your fight on the upper deck of the Theorem Since then you've been hiding every time you have any kind of disagreement from me, like both of you are in a fucking fight club You're not ~SPARING ME~ by doing this, lmfao Dropping vague explanations and then expecting I'll be okay with them like "abuhhhhhhhh okay Noctis, sounds good! I don't care to ask any further because obviously I don't care about how either of you feel!"
You think I want that? I get it, it sucks for you to be pulled in. So I'm trying to fix it
What else am I supposed to do?
[ Admit that he failed, again? That in trying to get closer to Cain well before the other man was ready, he created a situation that fucked everything up worse? One step forward, three steps back.
He's the one that didn't listen. ]
Do I need to say it again? I pushed him to be my friend. He didn't answer the way I thought he would, and we fought. Decided to make it physical and settle it faster that way
We both got pissed off and that's not how I wanted it, so I'm focusing on other shit
You don't have to do anything is the point, you guys already did it and you two are done, GOT IT lol But you can't stop me from talking to another one of my friends about something that pisses me off So like I don't know man
It's not fair anyone's in this situation I'm not angry at you, I'm not trying to fight you, but you're acting like I'm an enemy to like defend against here I literally just want to know what's going on because I don't believe that's it at all
Sue me I have like the nicest heart-to-hearts with both of you and YOU told me before we left camp to trust Cain YOU told me that Was that before or after you guys fought?? So you wanted to what?? Shove us off together and be miserable by yourself? I'm confused
Then don't ask me if you can or not if you don't care what I want. Is that hard?
[ Jonas isn't a threat. But Jonas asking is a threat, to more than just a friendship. He feels sick to his stomach and arid desert air doesn't help to ease that queasiness, resentful of the situation. And now Jonas's accusation of his desire to be alone makes him want to engage more, just to spite what is honestly a good suggestion – he should log off, walk away, and calm down.
He doesn't. ]
When the hell did I say I was shoving you off together? What's that even mean?
I'm your friend. He's your friend. So yeah I said to trust him bc I meant it, bc your relationship with him is nothing like my relationship with him. That's pretty obvious at this point
You trusting him isn't pretty obvious when you fight like you hate each other??????? wtf am I supposed to believe here??? Jesus Noctis
If this is your boundary like That I shouldn't talk to Cain about any of this, then great You want me to care what you want (which is a douche thing to say btw implying I don't lmfao)? Okay then I will And if he comes to me asking then I'll act all ignorant and surprised I'll just pretend to be completely chill with all of this and lie about it forever
[ It's too much on top of everything else, and seeing his out, Noctis knows this time to take it.
"Bye."
Later, sitting alone, Jonas's frustrations will become more understandable to him. He'll wish he answered differently, more believably, with some kind of assurance that would keep him at peace and his secret undisturbed, just as much as he'll realize those words don't exist. His friend is upset because he's concerned, and he's right that Noctis would act the same in return.
But right now he's just overwhelmed, angry, and anxious. ]
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Did I do something?
Like I just wanna know so I can apologize or do better or whatever
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Not even a little lol
Just got into it with Cain and didn't expect to be in a convo with him. Tbh you were prob right. Nixing the gc for a while is a good idea. We don't mix and you stuck in the middle is getting old
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But he thought they were getting along. The last time they all hung out, wasn't it fun? Beyond that, hasn't he had significant breakthroughs with both of them? Was it selfish to keep trying to push them together so he could benefit from the small group he's always wanted but has never been a part of?
It's not Noctis' fault, but a sinking feeling fills him. Disappointment, most likely, but it's hard to describe. )
idgi when did you two get into it?
Is that why he's busted up?
It's been like a week since we were all getting drunk and having a good time
ik I can't force you to be friends, I said I wouldn't interrupt you guys again, but I'm just confused
Can you tell me what happened?
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[ Right before, a tight enough timeline that he'd been forced to prioritize covering a mark on his neck that fills him with guilt and shame alongside aiding his fellow Support members with their duties. Even now it hasn't faded, hidden beneath that high-collared jacket. ]
It was a spar that got out of hand. "Why" isn't the point. Not handling our shit ourselves is pathetic
So I'm handling it. He's made it pretty clear what he thinks about me getting in his business and where I rank as a friend. It's just run its course
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I don't know what to even say here
Like do you mind if I talk to him about it?
I feel like I have to get both sides of the story, I just don't want to stress anyone out
( Playing the blame game doesn't appeal to him, but logically, Cain has always been more abrasive than Noctis. They're both temperamental, and both capable of being pricks, sure... Did one of them take it too far?
Are they more injured than he noticed and was told? )
Are you okay?
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Everything is piling up, and he feels like he's been drawn taut. Like a wire, ready to snap, and even his best recourse for some kind of outlet – a straightforward fight – has been sullied. Maybe he should find someone else to spar with, take his mind off things. Outside of that... Jonas is the only one who's provided him with emotional relief. But this isn't something he feels he can speak to him about, not when he feels he fucked up as badly as the man he's angry with. ]
He's not gonna wanna talk about it either. There's no "both sides". We're just better off separate
It's not a big deal
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If he messed with you and I pretend nothing happened, then I'm being a crappy friend to you man
( And vice versa. He doesn't have a clue, so making assumptions would be a piss poor show of his loyalty.
Trusting both of them while trusting neither of them... that's hard to balance. )
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Do I need to go into detail about each punch or smth?
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It involves me, so I want to make sure we're all good
Why is that such a huge problem?
You're both my friends and I don't know what else to do here
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All good? No, we're not. He and I aren't. And that is what it is, and here I'm trying to involve you as little as possible so it's not your drama but you're pushing to get more into it
Idk why
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Like you guys being good separately
What would you do in my position??
Because you sure as hell wouldn't just do nothing if I said Cain and I got into a fistfight and now we're never gonna talk again?
That's why
Can you please just think about it for a sec?
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I told you what happened. You asked if it was cool to talk to him, I obv think it's a bad idea, but why ask if you don't wanna hear it?
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You never involve me and yet I'm still always involved, wow I wonder why that keeps happening
And don't even say that that's my fault, because the only thing you can totally claim that I interfered with was your fight on the upper deck of the Theorem
Since then you've been hiding every time you have any kind of disagreement from me, like both of you are in a fucking fight club
You're not ~SPARING ME~ by doing this, lmfao
Dropping vague explanations and then expecting I'll be okay with them like "abuhhhhhhhh okay Noctis, sounds good! I don't care to ask any further because obviously I don't care about how either of you feel!"
What do YOU want from ME?
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What else am I supposed to do?
[ Admit that he failed, again? That in trying to get closer to Cain well before the other man was ready, he created a situation that fucked everything up worse? One step forward, three steps back.
He's the one that didn't listen. ]
Do I need to say it again? I pushed him to be my friend. He didn't answer the way I thought he would, and we fought. Decided to make it physical and settle it faster that way
We both got pissed off and that's not how I wanted it, so I'm focusing on other shit
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But you can't stop me from talking to another one of my friends about something that pisses me off
So like I don't know man
It's not fair anyone's in this situation
I'm not angry at you, I'm not trying to fight you, but you're acting like I'm an enemy to like defend against here
I literally just want to know what's going on because I don't believe that's it at all
Sue me
I have like the nicest heart-to-hearts with both of you and YOU told me before we left camp to trust Cain
YOU told me that
Was that before or after you guys fought??
So you wanted to what??
Shove us off together and be miserable by yourself?
I'm confused
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[ Jonas isn't a threat. But Jonas asking is a threat, to more than just a friendship. He feels sick to his stomach and arid desert air doesn't help to ease that queasiness, resentful of the situation. And now Jonas's accusation of his desire to be alone makes him want to engage more, just to spite what is honestly a good suggestion – he should log off, walk away, and calm down.
He doesn't. ]
When the hell did I say I was shoving you off together? What's that even mean?
I'm your friend. He's your friend. So yeah I said to trust him bc I meant it, bc your relationship with him is nothing like my relationship with him. That's pretty obvious at this point
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wtf am I supposed to believe here???
Jesus Noctis
If this is your boundary like
That I shouldn't talk to Cain about any of this, then great
You want me to care what you want (which is a douche thing to say btw implying I don't lmfao)?
Okay then I will
And if he comes to me asking then I'll act all ignorant and surprised
I'll just pretend to be completely chill with all of this and lie about it forever
Bye
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"Bye."
Later, sitting alone, Jonas's frustrations will become more understandable to him. He'll wish he answered differently, more believably, with some kind of assurance that would keep him at peace and his secret undisturbed, just as much as he'll realize those words don't exist. His friend is upset because he's concerned, and he's right that Noctis would act the same in return.
But right now he's just overwhelmed, angry, and anxious. ]
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